Ep 011: An interview with Gordon MacDonald (part 2)
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This episode is a continuation of an interview Pastor Josh had with Gordon MacDonald. If you have not listened to part 1, please do so before continuing this episode!
Here are some of highlights from this episode:
Some of the disciplines Pastor Gordon has developed over the years that bring depth to his life both personally and as a Christian leader:
• Being a man of the Word. We must be committed to God’s Word by absorbing and memorizing it.
• Reading biographies of past Christian leaders
• Accountability to a mentor and close friends
• Asking questions. Few people know how to ask questions. As leaders, we must pry into people to help them grow spiritually.
“Your peers help you to create, but your mentors help you to go deep.” – Gordon MacDonald
“Asking questions is a powerful key to spiritual development and growth.” – Gordon MacDonald
Every person has a story. Asking questions engages people to truly think about their honest answers. Hard questions force you to account for the depth of your life. Be the leader who doesn’t just ask surface level questions, but who reveals their motives by the first question they ask.
“The questions you ask will reveal the motives of your heart.” – Josh Gagnon
The best piece of advice Gordon ever received for his marriage was, “God means to say many things to you through [your wife]; listen to her.” For any men in ministry, it is important to remember that your wife will have many things to say to you that you need to hear. Treat your wife with dignity and respect and help her recognize her spiritual gifts, then draw upon them.
“Your job is to help your wife to become everything God wants her to be.” – Gordon MacDonald
As a father, always commit to making your children a priority over ministry. Your children should know that they come first.
“If you need to work a lot of hours, punish yourself…don’t punish your family.” – Josh Gagnon
“Make sure your priority list starts with the people who will be standing around your grave.” – Gail MacDonald