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Ep 028: Inside NLC's Creative Process

Welcome to Episode 28 of the Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast!

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Today’s episode will feature the members of NLC’s Creative Team, as they discuss what it’s like to be a creative in ministry, as well as some of their creative processes and planning. Make sure you pass this episode along to any creatives you may know!

Mentioned In This Episode:

Clint Ledford - NLC Worship Director

Clint’s Twitter -

Clint’s Instagram - 

Email Clint -

Bruce Burger - NLC Production Director

Bruce’s Email -

Allen Robbins - NLC Creative Pastor

Allen’s Twitter - 

Allen’s Email -

Josh Duffy - NLC Video Producer

Duffy’s Instagram - 

Duffy’s Email-

NLC’s Church Management Software - Planning Center

Creativity, Inc by Ed Catmull -

3 Takeaways For Leaders:

1. In every decision you make, honor your lead pastor. The Creative Team explained how they always honor Pastor Josh and his vision in everything they produce. Along with this idea, make sure you know and understand your pastor’s strengths and weaknesses and create your structures around them.

2. Start with “yes” and work backwards. Rather than resist an idea because of the amount of work it will take, think optimistically and say “yes”, then figure it out from there. Think of creativity as problem-solving and think through how you can accomplish your end product.

3. Don’t get caught up in thinking that excellence has a price tag. Often times, it’s easy to have the mindset that more resources equals excellence, but excellence is doing the best with what you have. Utilize what has been given to you in the most efficient way possible.

Quotes From This Episode:

“If I can’t support the vision of Pastor Josh and lift him up, then I’m hindering him.” - Josh Duffy

“You can’t honor your pastor unless you know him, and you know his giftings and his strengths.” - Roman Archer

“Start with yes and work backwards.” - Clint Ledford

“I’m okay with making a mistake once. If it happens again, there’s something I need to address in myself or my team.” - Josh Duffy

“Excellence is doing the best you can with what you have.” - Allen Robbins

“Don’t get caught up in thinking that excellence has a price tag.” - Allen Robbins

“It’s not excellence for the sake of excellence, it’s excellence because God calls us to be excellent.” - Bruce Burger

“You can learn from the things people succeed at, but you’re going to learn more from the things they did not succeed at.” - Clint Ledford

“Your ideas are not your identity.” - Josh Duffy

Ep 027: Q&A with Pastor Josh, Part 2

Welcome to Episode 27 of the Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast!

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In this episode, we will be hearing Pastor Josh answer some questions submitted by our listeners about leadership, ministry, relationships, how to avoid burnout, and much more. If you have questions you’d like to be answered by Pastor Josh, text it to (646) 801-6033 or email it to and it might be answered on a future episode.

Mentioned In This Episode:

H3 Leadership by Brad Lomenick -

ReThink Leadership Conference -

NLC’s Livestreaming Service -

3 Takeaways For Leaders:

1. If you’re not passionate about the ministry you’re a part of, maybe you should consider being a part of a different ministry. In many church cultures, it’s become sort of a taboo for leaders or pastors to leave the church they work at because they don’t agree with the leadership above them. Just because you find that God has called you to ministry, it doesn’t mean you are bound to a particular church or organization. If you don’t agree with the vision or direction the church is going in, then consider leaving and finding a ministry that you can get behind.

2. To keep things fresh in your marriage, be intentional with your relationship with your spouse. Choose to do things that are outside of routine, things that will add to a type of new relationship rather than continue to support the old type of relationship. Additionally, choose to look at what you are making priority in your life and reconsider whether it should take priority over other things. Ask yourself “If I were to lose it, where does it end on the hurt thermometer?” Succeed at what matters most and put the most attention in what matters most.

3. To avoid burnout, take up a hobby and set guidelines and limitations within your “job” of ministry. Pastor Josh says, “The only reason anything burns is because it hasn’t changed positions.” So between your job, your home life, and how you spend your free time, change up your routine. Learn something new. Go explore new terrain. And learn to set a hard stop on your work. Ministry is a job that is never finished. But you can choose to find a stopping point, and actually stop working and start focusing your attention on other things, such as family or a new hobby.

Quotes From This Episode:

“The church stinks at honoring people on their way out.” - Josh Gagnon

“We don’t have to suffer through ministry because we don’t agree with those above us.” - Josh Gagnon

“God’s called you to ministry. Now find a ministry you’re passionate to serve under.” - Josh Gagnon

“Work hard at [marriage] and give yourself the ability to get better at [marriage].” - Josh Gagnon

“If you want to succeed at what matters most, you’ll put the most attention, effort, newness at what matters most.” - Josh Gagnon

“The only reason anything burns is because it hasn’t changed positions.” - Josh Gagnon

“Small wins over a long period of time will equal growth.” - Josh Gagnon

“Leadership is all about risk and reward.” - Josh Gagnon

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Ep 026: The Value In Building Your Leaders

Welcome to Episode 26 of the Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast!

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Leadership development is necessary at every level of every organization. Pastor Josh had the opportunity to be a speaker for the Ministry Momentum Summit in January and he spoke on the topic of leadership development. In this episode, we will hear a more in-depth version of that talk as he shares why there is a need for leadership development plans in ministry as well as business organizations.

Mentioned In This Episode:

The Ministry Momentum Summit presented by Unseminary -

NLC Music’s The Overcome EP -

Email Pastor Roman -

Next Level Church’s Leadership Development Plans -

3 Takeaways For Leaders:

1. A vision outside of leadership planned is only a dream. Many leaders fall into the trap of dreaming big things for their church, but they fail to take the next step in creating a plan that will make that dream into a reality. Too often, churches never bridge the gap between dreaming and doing. Dreaming is the fun part--making a plan isn’t necessarily fun. We can’t just simply see the vision and rally the crowds, we have to make a plan to accomplish that vision by raising up leaders who will help us in our pursuits.

2. Develop the people under you to be able to think for themselves. Pastor Josh recognized in the early stages of Next Level Church that the leaders who were a couple tiers under him were not being empowered to make decisions for themselves. Instead, they would wait for direction of those above them without question. He then began asking, “Are the people on our team and in our volunteer positions able to say yes to questions that people present to them, or do they always have to go higher up in the organization to find a yes?” Once this problem was acknowledged, the leadership team had to develop those underneath them to the point where they could trust them with in their leadership positions.

3. When it comes to filling needed positions, don’t put a band-aid over the problem. In other words, don’t put someone in a role just because they are available but may not be the right person for the job. Don’t settle for filling a need; don’t settle for “band-aids.” Instead, look for people who can fuel your mission and who have the potential to become great. Great people produce great fruit. Take this point a step further by continually asking yourself if those people are in the “right seat” of the bus, even when they have been in their position for a long period of time.

Quotes From This Episode:

“You can have a big vision, but outside of the ability to train great leaders, your vision never has a vision to stand on.” - Josh Gagnon

“You’re never going to grow God’s Kingdom large if it’s only through the opinion and voice of a few.” - Josh Gagnon

“You’re never going to empower someone you don’t feel like you can trust, and you’re never going to trust someone who’s not developed.” - Josh Gagnon

“There’s a major difference between the right person and the available person.” - Josh Gagnon

“Great players are needed in order to have a great team, and great teams are needed to have great dynasties, and great dynasties are needed to order to leave great legacies.” - Josh Gagnon

“Greatness will produce greatness. Great people produce great results. Great people produce great fruit.” - Josh Gagnon

“If you don’t have the right people, you’ll never have the right organization; if you don’t have great people, you’ll never have a great organization.” - Josh Gagnon

“The primary responsibility of a leader is to raise up great leaders.” - Josh Gagnon